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Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.05.17 02:42:00 - [1] Originally by: Cergorach Originally by: Pang Grohl Or if you really believe that there is too much ISK in EVE, destroy yours. I really would want to do a KLF like action in EVE, something like self destructing your own Titan or a whole Fleet grins evily Blowing **** up does not make less ISK, it makes less stuff which means there's now even more ISK per unit stuff which further exacerbates the problem.... Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.05.17 03:26:00 - [2] Originally by: Tasko Pal Originally by: Wooster Knite If u rent a mission runner, you will raise standing with one faction and loose with another; i need my actual standing for R&D agents. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I never changed faction standing by doing this. What I hear is to change faction standing, you have to do storyline or COSMOS missions, or shoot ships of the appropriate faction (in order to lose standing). But you can't lose standing by sharing in the reward for a kill mission. Maybe pirate factions are different? Normal missions will only affect various corp standings and if you're in the system with the guy when he kills faction ships you're faction standing will accordingly change. So just getting credit for the mission won't help. You need either a certain level of standing with the RP corp plus decent faction standing to use the RP corp though if you have especially high corp standing they'll wave the faction part. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.05.17 04:35:00 - [3] Originally by: Roemy Schneider well, one can buy SP indrectly... yeah, i'd like a set of +7 imps aswell (autolink "- elite") You do know those don't exist, right? There's all sorts of things in the database, like T3 items, but they don't actually exist. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.05.17 06:39:00 - [4] Originally by: Ortos It wouldnt in any way hurt if CCP made "The Superstore", similar to todays LP stores except the only commodity involved was ISK. If they added stuff like Golden ships, T3 ships (in advance, say you could fly around in them for half a year before they were launched ingame), T2 Faction ships and such. If they just started spitting isk sinks out their a** here and there would it really hurt anyone? Dreamworld scenario would be adding 7+ implants or better. Other things such as painting services would allso be cool. Beeing able to colour any ship in game in the colour of your choice for instance. But especially the 7+ implants comes to mind though, would it really hurt anyone if they were implented costing say 1b\per? That wouldn't fix things, only proper high-end industrial content will, but it would help a fair bit. Especially in the short-term. I've been calling for T2 BPO auctions (with the ISK going to the factions) since the beginning of the year. Throw in a few super rare navy ship auctions (to correspond with the launch of FW) and you could drain off a couple trillion ISK. Hell, they could even offer top end items like +7's and perhaps even top end officer mods at fixed ISK prices. All that ISK would just get replaced as more and more flows in without proper sinks but it would help things right now. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.05.17 10:47:00 - [5] Originally by: Ortos Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: Ortos It wouldnt in any way hurt if CCP made "The Superstore", similar to todays LP stores except the only commodity involved was ISK. If they added stuff like Golden ships, T3 ships (in advance, say you could fly around in them for half a year before they were launched ingame), T2 Faction ships and such. If they just started spitting isk sinks out their a** here and there would it really hurt anyone? Dreamworld scenario would be adding 7+ implants or better. Other things such as painting services would allso be cool. Beeing able to colour any ship in game in the colour of your choice for instance. But especially the 7+ implants comes to mind though, would it really hurt anyone if they were implented costing say 1b\per? That wouldn't fix things, only proper high-end industrial content will, but it would help a fair bit. Especially in the short-term. I've been calling for T2 BPO auctions (with the ISK going to the factions) since the beginning of the year. Throw in a few super rare navy ship auctions (to correspond with the launch of FW) and you could drain off a couple trillion ISK. Hell, they could even offer top end items like +7's and perhaps even top end officer mods at fixed ISK prices. All that ISK would just get replaced as more and more flows in without proper sinks but it would help things right now. How about dayly auctions for stuff like +7 implants or rare ships? Imagine a ship only acessible through weekly auctions. The prices items like that could drain from the game would be pretty extreme. We seem to be using a bit different meaning of "rare." I'm thinking Impoc or State Issue Raven rare, ships that rival Titans in value kind of rare. The lesser rare ships can just be sold at outrageous prices in ISK-only stores. The Impocs and such, though, should only be auctioned off as part of a special event. Like the Caldari station getting hit yesterday could have resulted in the State auctioning off one of its State Issue Ravens to help raise disaster relief funding. The auctions should be RP'ed but the rest (things like the Vexer that gets extra drones) can just be sold at really high prices. You want them to be status symbols but you also want them to be fairly accessible. If you auction off the smaller stuff you'll just get resellers turning a profit on them. Where as, if you put them in a shop all of the ISK gets pulled out of the game. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.05.17 11:00:00 - [6] Originally by: Ortos If I could choose a solution here I'd add tons of faction ships buyable for ISK only (no LP involved) at a price where people would actually take them out to PVP. One of the bigger problems with that is that it requires major work not just to create all of those ships but to make sure they're balanced. You might as well say CCP should create a whole bunch of T3 ships as it's the same amount of work and balancing concerns. There's nothing inherently wrong with saying, make a bunch of T3 ships. But I would hope you can see why it's far from the ideal suggestion. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.05.17 11:05:00 - [7] Originally by: Ortos Edited by: Ortos on 17/05/2008 10:57:41 If I could choose a solution here I'd add tons of faction ships buyable for ISK only (no LP involved) at a price where people would actually take them out to PVP. Another thing I could just aswell add in is industrial services: Beeing able to for instance buy POS fuel delivered to your station by NPC's. At an additional charge ofcource. Or empire taxi services, beeing able to instantly jump a ship thru empire space. Again, at a charge. So it wouldnt be something people did on a regular basis, but say today, when im moving several ships from one location to the other it would be nice. Player market for moving stuff is dysfunctional at best anyhow. I see you edited in more suggestions. As far as those others go, their impact would be pretty small (ISK-wise) and you're entering a market that's already player run. They could be nice services but it wouldn't come near fixing the current problems. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.05.17 11:10:00 - [8] Originally by: Wooster Knite Gaining standing is a pain in the ass, takes a lot of time. I dont see any problems is a NPC corp accepting a "ISKs gift" and smiling at me (more standing), even the many churches around welcomes donations. The NPC corps all have military concerns to a certain extent. In that context, the difference between buying your way in and proving your loyalty by risking your life, killing their enemies and furthering their cause is black and white. Don't think of gaining standing as getting 'admited to the club' but rather as joining a crime syndicate. You've got to prove your loyal but once you do they take care of their own. It's not just about money it's about loyalty and trust. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.05.17 22:22:00 - [9] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Athanasios Anastasiou Hence, so is inflation. There isn't any inflation. At least it doesn't manifest itself in the same way as in real life. I believe Dr. EyJog merely called it growth. The only place he looked for inflation was T1 ships, the price of which is fairly tightly controlled at the bottom by NPC goods (reprocess them to get the minerals you need at a fixed minimum) and the top by insurance. That guy doesn't actually understand the structure of the EVE economy which is probably why he though merely removing shuttles would remove the trit cap. If you want to see inflation just take a look at high end officer/deadspace modules. Back in the day I was ecstatic the first time I sold a Pith X-Type thermal hardener for 300M, these days I've seen them going for 600 and beyond and they're just as useful and have the same stats. Also, the drop table is designed to keep the number in a roughly constant ratio to the population so these things make a great indicator of inflation and the indicator says we've experienced heavy inflation over the last ~18 months. We may not be seeing an increase in the cost of basic goods but there has definitely been an increase in the amount of money relative to the amount of goods which is pretty much the definition of inflation. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Kwint Sommer Caldari Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.05.18 20:46:00 - [10] I feel like I should point out that you can in fact directly convert ISK into minerals. All you have to do is buy cheap NPC items (for instance Civilian Afterburners) and melt them down for correspondingly cheap minerals. This can be done on a massive scale, as well. Further, the ships themselves can be directly converted into ISK. Just insure them, then blow them up. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals

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